A Facebook Chat on Arabian Unrest

Tariq Mohammed
let all those who are inciting POLITICAL UNREST and calling for REVOLUTION in the muslim lands fear Allah regarding their actions. they would do well to understand how grave an issue it is in islam to create fitnah. whatever the reasons, this isnt the way of doing things. so let them consider whose sunnah they are following.
Tariq Mohammed
and this is also for all those sitting around the globe, calling for more protests and enjoying the bloodshed on their newspapers and TVs.
March 27 at 1:50pm · Like ·
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Ameer CP him, the god in his words say that he will not change a society or place until or unless they work for it.. nowhere in the world does islamic law prevails or a real islamic state exists.. All are ruled by dictators or hereditary kings..with little consideration to people it belongs and real islamic laws .. Ironically islam is democratic but nowhere to see...lets hope that we will see a good result.. God willing.. Else not
March 27 at 2:02pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed good results are good only when they are obtained through the right means. results that are seemingly good can never be used to justify means that are so clearly wrong.
March 27 at 2:46pm · Like · 1 person
Tariq Mohammed as muslims, our duty is to stick to the ulema of ahlus sunnah wal jamaa'ah --- those who have inherited the wealth of the prophets, ie knowledge... the links are their words...
March 27 at 2:48pm · Like · 1 person
Ameer CP It,s a wrong interpretation.. As pope did for crusaders to justify their kings in medivial.. Our mufti's are interpreting islam to protect oppressors.. Just look back at moosa's history against pharoh.. Why didn't he sit back to be oppressed????? A lot more in history
March 27 at 4:45pm · Like
Ameer CP For some they are only bothered about the length of the beard in sunnah.. But not the length of humanity in sunnah.. The laws of state in sunnah.. common ppl lets use our senses and pray for hikmath from god
March 27 at 4:59pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed so let the people themselves determine what is good and bad for them?! is that ur point?! people who dont know what is tawheed, who dont pray, who dont know what is fardh and what is sunnah?!
March 27 at 6:20pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed so who are ur scholars that permit the people to revolt and create chaos? what are their evidences from the sunnah of rasoolullah (sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam) and his followers? moosa (alayhis salaam) asked his people to fight with fir'awn? did he ask to be the ruler?
March 27 at 6:26pm · Like · 1 person
Tariq Mohammed i do not say that the rulers are doing the correct things, or that the systems of governance in the muslim countries are correct. but what is the solution for that? doing such things and then getting bombed by outside forces?
March 27 at 6:27pm · Like · 1 person
Tariq Mohammed for anything and everything, there are rules and ways of doing things. if that is to be learnt and understood, knowledge is to be sought, from the right sources. actions based on emotions lead to no benefit.
March 27 at 6:30pm · Like · 1 person
Tariq Mohammed tell me one thing... who was the first group among the muslims to protest against the ruler? and for what reason?
March 27 at 6:32pm · Like · 1 person
Tariq Mohammed i have not published my own opinions here. my evidences and my sources have been laid out. if what u claim is correct, prove it with evidences supported by the ulema of ahlus sunnah wal jamaa'ah. baarakAllah.
March 27 at 6:35pm · Like · 1 person
Ameer CP Try to read.. Other than salafi versions in net.. You'll get your answer.
March 27 at 7:05pm · Like
Ameer CP Try to read.. Other than salafi versions in net.. You'll get your answer.
March 27 at 7:08pm · Like
Ameer CP Try to read.. Other than salafi versions in net.. You'll get your answer.
March 27 at 7:09pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed why should i read other than salafi versions when i believe that it is the path of rasoolullah (sallAllahu alyhi wasallam) and his companions and their followers?
March 27 at 7:12pm · Like
Navaz Ebrahim ‎@Mr Ameer: pls go through this hadith..inshaAllah u ll get ur answer from this..The Holy Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) said "Whoever
disapproves of something done by his ruler
then he should be patient, for whoever
disobeys the ruler even a little (little = a
span) will die as those who died in the
Period of Ignorance. (i.e., as rebellious sinners)." (Sahih Bukhari: The Book of AL- Fitan, Chapter 1, Number 2187)
March 27 at 7:32pm · Like
Ameer CP for Ilm.. If it is in china also.. We should acquire it.. As per prophet.. Nobody is wrong.. But when you bye pass god.. We are wrong
March 27 at 7:32pm · Like
Mohamed Rafiq Tariq : I support the view that mindless revolts aren't necessary. But when the ruler isn't worthy enough, and is a dictator or a king, then what solution do you propose for the people ?.
March 27 at 7:36pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed ‎@ami ata: should i also read what is the opinion of the sufis, tablighees, shia etc? is that 'ilm? they are also not wrong?
March 27 at 7:42pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed rasoolullah (sallAllahu alayhi wasallam) didnt show us many paths, saying follow any one of these, u'll be safe.
March 27 at 7:42pm · Like · 1 person
Tariq Mohammed ‎@rafiq: its not me who should propose solutions. refer to the people of knowledge. we are not even allowed to publicly criticize a muslim ruler, regardless of how oppressive he is. history tells us how the sahaaba were patient even when muslims were persecuted by thier own muslim ruler.
March 27 at 7:48pm · Like
Mohamed Rafiq Tariq don't you remember Hassan (RA) and Hussain (RA) raising themselves against Yazeed ?
March 27 at 7:56pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed no, that was not how it was. there was a lot of confusion, enemies did their lobbying for their own agendas (including the shia), and misled hussain (ra) who set out to baghdad. hassan (ra) stayed back. people have their own versions of these events, so unless the correct sources are studied, there is scope for being misinformed.
March 27 at 8:05pm · Like
Mohamed Rafiq Leave history. Let us stand in the present. Can you spot any worthy ruler in any dynastic rule or in a dictatorship ? Even the princes of Saudi are worthless. I remember reading somewhere that some young princes of Saudi recently attended a...
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March 27 at 8:09pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed leave history?! is it something that can be left out so easily?!
March 27 at 8:56pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed and coming to your point about rulers, i have already said that i am not a supporter of the systems of governance found in the muslim countries, be it monarchy or whatever. and i'm not in favour of democracy in the way that the term is defined by the West. who has taught us that a bunch of people selected by the gullible commoners are good enough to run a country? was it islam, or was it someone else?
March 27 at 8:59pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed http://tinyurl.com/6gkjlwa this is the last link that i posted, which replies to ur statement "GOOD FOR NOTHING RULERS, MAKE GOOD FOR NOTHING PEOPLE"
March 27 at 9:01pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed yes we should relive our glorious past and insha Allah we will, because it is a promise from Allah. but our situation can be corrected only by what corrected the pagan arabs 1400 years ago, ie the Qur'an and the Sunnah of rasoolullah (sallAllahu alayhi wasallam). any one who seeks victory, power or progress in other than this is deluded to say the least.
March 27 at 9:04pm · Like
Mohamed Rafiq Tariq, do not misunderstand me. By saying LEAVE HISTORY, I did not mean you should leave behind the Sunnah of Rasool (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam), rather I willed to divert your attention to the present scenario. Also I am not a supporter of...
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March 27 at 9:45pm · Like
Ameer CP The small islamic state found by prophet in arabia where muslims were minority prevailed because of the beauty of the system.. Coz it is from god.. islam is for everyone.. Not only for muslims.. When umar took over and when he publicly shar...
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March 27 at 9:50pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed ‎@ rafiq: everything is by the Will of Allah. but if people do things in the correct way, they will be rewarded. otherwise, they will be punished. now which is this way? that is what the argument is about. the way of ahlus sunnah wal jama'a...
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March 27 at 10:37pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed whenever the people have deviated from the deen, Allah has punished them and given others superiority over them.
March 27 at 10:38pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed change does not happen overnight. if it does, then u are sure to witness such violence and bloodshed as u can see today. the blood of a muslim is a serious issue. if even one person has been killed unjustly, by anyone, the issue is extremely serious for all the people who are directly or indirectly responsible for that.
March 27 at 10:41pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed during the time of rasool (sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam), did such change happen overnight? no, rather it was only after their eemaan and their aqeedah had been purified; after they had faced harsh persecution; after Allah had tested them with hunger, fear, poverty, torture. it was only by remaining firm and steadfast on the Right Path that Allah gave them victory.
March 27 at 10:45pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed patience is something vital, something that the people have seemingly forgotten today. without patience how can a person study the Qur'an and Sunnah? how can he sit and learn under the ulemaa? how can he hear what they say, or what are the hadeeth relating to such affairs?
March 27 at 10:48pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed there is an entire chapter of Imaam Bukhari: باب العلم قبل القول والعمل
March 27 at 10:49pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed ie, the chapter of (gaining) knowledge before speech or action. in other words, before we speak or act on something, we should have knowledge regarding that.
March 27 at 10:52pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed how many people who protest out there are aware that public demonstrations and rallies (for any reason) are not from islam? how many of them know the correct method of correcting the rulers? how many of them even follow islam in their own lives? but everything and everyone else should be islamic for them!
March 27 at 10:55pm · Like
Mohamed Rafiq I agree that change does not happen overnight. But it has to come nevertheless. People were patient for 40 years in case of Gaddafi, 30 years in case of Mubarak and some 20 odd years in case of Ben Ali. These are tyrants intoxicated with po...
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March 27 at 11:01pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed u can see people damaging public/private property, women coming out without proper hijaab, men without beards... then what do they know about the deen? or if they do, is that how they practise it? they have just been incited by sources, Allah knows best whether they are external or internal, and they set out onto the streets.
March 27 at 11:01pm · Like
Tariq Mohammed may Allah help us, keep us firm on the Straight Path, correct the affairs of our lands, give us the tawfeeq to gain knowledge and act upon it and grant us Jannah.
March 27 at 11:04pm · Like
Mohamed Rafiq That is every Mu'min's wish... Ameen.
March 27 at 11:07pm · Like
Ameer CP I do think that the new breed of islam is taking shape in europe and america... Which will replace us .. In their obedience to god. They will be well thought.. with wisdom... lets wait and watch.
March 28 at 1:26am · Like

Is Salafism the only right path??

Sarjis Cp April 11 at 2:03am Report
Yes im proud to be a salafi muslim ,അമീര്‍ (അല്ലാഹുവിന്റെ റസൂല്‍ (സ്വ)പറഞ്ഞു യഹൂദികള്‍ 71 ഉം നസാറാക്കള്‍ 72 ഉം വിഭാഗമായത് പൊലെ എന്റെ ഉമ്മത്ത് 73 വിഭാഗമായി പിരിയും അവര്‍ എല്ലാവരും നരകത്തിലാണ്‍ ഒരു വിഭാഗം ഒഴികെ അപ്പോള്‍ സ്വഹബത്ത് ചൊദിച്ചു അല്ലാഹുവിന്റെ റസൂലെ അരാണു ആ വിഭാഗം അപ്പോള്‍ റസൂല്‍ (സ്വ)പറഞ്ഞു ഞാനും എന്റെ സ്വഹബത്തും ഇന്ന് ഏതൊരു പാതയില്‍ ജീവിക്കുന്നുവോ ആ പാതയില്‍ ജീവിക്കുന്നവരാണ്‍ ആ വിജയിച്ച കക്ഷികള്‍,) ഈ ഹദീത്‌ 100% ഞാന്‍ വിശ്വസിക്കുന്നു , അല്ലാഹുവില്‍ പങ്കു ചെര്‍കുന്നവേര്‍ എന്തായാലും സാധ്യട ഇല്ല , അധ് കൊണ്ട് സുന്നികളെ (കുരാഫി )ഒഴിവാകാം , ചെകന്നോരികളെയും ഖാടിയനികളെയും നോക്കുകയെ വേണ്ട , ഭരണം ആണേ യദാര്‍ത്ഥ തൌഹീദ് എന്ന് വിശ്വസിക്കുന്ന ജമാഅത്ത് എന്തായാലും അതില്‍ പെടില്ല ,അത് കൊണ്ട് ഞാന്‍ വീണ്ടും പറയുന്നു Yes im proud to be a salafi muslim

Ameer CP April 14 at 12:42am
ഉമ്മത്തിനെ പിന്‍പറ്റുന്നവര്‍ എല്ലാ വിഭാഗത്തിലും ഉണ്ടെന്നാണ് ഞാന്‍ മനസ്സിലാക്കുന്നത്‌.. ശിര്‍ക്ക് ചെയ്യാത്ത സുന്നികള്‍ ഉണ്ട്.. പിന്നെ സലഫികള്‍ എന്ന് പറയുന്നത് സുന്നികളിലെ തന്നെ ഒരു ഉപവിഭാഗമാണ് ... ജമാത്ത് ഒരു മദ്ഹബ് അല്ല ... അത് പ്രവാചകന്റെ ഇസ്ലാമിനെ സമ്പൂര്‍ണമായി ഉള്‍കൊള്ളുന്ന ഒരു ഇസ്ലാമിക പ്രസ്ഥാനമാണ്‌...മുസ്ലീംകള്‍ എന്ന് വിളിക്കാനാണ് അവര്‍ ഇഷ്ടപ്പെടുന്നത് .. ഭരണം അതിന്റെ ലക്‌ഷ്യം അല്ല... ദൈവിക നിയമം ആധാരമാക്കി ഉള്ള ഒരു വ്യവസ്ഥിതിക്കു വേണ്ടി പണി എടുക്കുന്നവര്‍ ആണ്.. ജമത്തില്‍ ശിര്കില്ല.... താടിയുടെ നീളം നോക്കി അല്ല സ്വര്‍ഗപ്രവേഷണം എന്ന് പ്രവാചകന്റെ ചര്യ പഠിച്ചാല്‍ നമുക്ക് മനസിലാക്കാം.. അവന്‍റെ അടിമയാണെന്നും അവന്‍റെ സൃഷ്ടിയാണെന്നും അവന്‍റെ കല്പനകള്‍ അനുസരിക്കെന്ടവരനെന്നും അവന്‍റെ നിയമങ്ങള്‍ പാലിക്കെണ്ടാവരനെന്നും അവന്‍റെ നിയമങ്ങള്‍ ഖുരാനിലും അതിന്‍റെ ശരിയായ ഉദാഹരണം നബിച്ചര്യകലനെന്നും ഉള്ള ബോധം എല്ലാവര്ക്കും ഉണ്ടാകേണ്ടതാണ്.. സ്വര്‍ഗം ജീവിതത്തെ സമ്പൂര്‍ണമായി അല്ലാഹുവിനു സമര്‍പ്പിക്കുന്നവര്‍ക്കാണ്... അവന്റെ ഹകിമിയത്തിനെ ചോദ്യം ചെയ്യാത്തവര്‍ക്കാണ് .. പ്രവാചകന്‍റെ പിന്മുരക്കാരുടെ തെരുവുയുധങ്ങളും പരസ്പരം കാഫിരക്കളും കണ്ടാല്‍ അവര്‍ സ്വര്‍ഗ്ഗ വാസിഗലനെന്നു ആരും പറയില്ല... ശരിയായ മുസ്ലീംകള്‍ ഇനിയും ഉണ്ടാവേണ്ടിയിരിക്കുന്നു... നമുക്ക് അതിനു പ്രാര്‍ത്ഥിക്കാം... അവര്‍ ഖുര്‍ആന്‍ ആയ സത്യത്തിന്‍റെ ജീവിക്കുന്ന സാക്ഷികലയിരിക്കും... "Being" a Muslim

My reply to "A WARNING AGAINST JAMAA'AT UT-TABLIGH" (&IQWAN)

Ameer CP March 18 at 4:59pm
The first time I am hearing rebellion against oppressors and bringing in justice is a sin. Is Iqwan doing a sin by supporting "anti people husni govt"? May I ask!! what is the role of salafi's in any form of freedom struggle? current Salafi's are least bothered about it as far as I have seen. They are more into eradicating ritual shirqs than eradicationg non shirqi but anti human anti islamic rulers which are all ruling against god's will, the other voices are always surpressed with iron fists. I have one doubt, why did Moosa turn against Pharoh? what was wrong with Namrood and kharoon?? Itjihad and adapt Islam, that's god's will, that's why we wear Jeans than Khandoora or Lungi that's why we use cars than camels... may be tomorrow..a new way of islamic life.. Koran is for all generations.. not for the past only

Abu Haneef Mohamed Riswan March 18 at 1:02am Reply • Report
Bismillaah wa inna AlHamduillaahi Wahadu wa SallAllaahu wa Sallaam'alaa Khaatim al Anbiyya' wa 'alaa Aalihee wa Asahaabihee
wa'alaa Manitaba'a Hudaah 'Amma Ba'd:

Imaam Muhammad ibn Sireen (Rahimahullah) said :

“This knowledge is the religion, so let each of you be careful as to whom he takes his religion from” [Related by Muslim no. 114]

The Former Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, His Excellency, Shaykh Abdul Azeez Ibn Baaz (Rahimahullaah) was asked:

Question: May Allaah grant you the best (of His favours).

In the hadeeth of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa Sallam), relating to the splitting of the Ummah, he says: ((and my Ummah shall split into 72 sects)).

So, is the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh, with what they have in terms of shirk and innovations; and also the Jamaa'ah al-Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen, with what they have in terms of partisanship and revolting/rebelling against the leaders and lack of obedience; from the 72 sects?

So, he (the Shaykh) responded, may Allaah forgive him and bestow upon him His immense mercy:

They are from the 72 (sects). Whoever opposes the 'aqeedah of Ahlus-Sunnah enters the fold of the 72 (sects). The meaning of the Prophet's (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa Sallam) statement ((My Ummah)) is: the Ummah of Ijaabah, i.e. the Ummah of response; those who responded to the Prophet's call and revealed their allegiance to him. And the meaning of 73 sects: the victorious sect which adhered to him and was upright in their religion and 72 of those sects amongst them the kuffaar, the sinners and various innovators.

So, the questioners asked: Are these two groups (Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh and Jamaa'ah al-Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen) from amongst the 72 sects?

He responded: Yes, they are from the amongst the 72 sects, along with the Murji'ah and other than them; the Murji'ah and the Khawaarij some of the people of knowledge regard the Khawaarij from amongst the kuffaar, out of the fold of Islaam although amongst the 72 sects.

[Taken from the recording of the Shaykh's lessons in Sharh al-Muntaqaa in Ta'if approximately 2 years or less before his death].

For more information on this evil group visit:

http://salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?secID=GRV&subsecID=GRV02&loadpage=displaysubsection.cfm

http://www.google.com/custom?domains=www.salafitalk.net&q=tableegh&sitesearch=www.salafitalk.net&sa=Google+Search&client&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&safe=active&cof=GALT%3A%232D8930%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23000000%3BVLC%3A0000FF%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A1%3B

Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) warned:

"Whoever innovates or accommodates an innovator then upon him is the curse of Allaah, His Angels and the whole of mankind."

Reported by Bukhaaree, 12/41 and Muslim, 9/140

Subhaanaka Allaahumma wa bihamdika 'ash hadu 'an laa 'ilaaha 'illaa 'anta 'astaghfiruka wa 'atuubu ilayka

Wa SallAllaahu 'alaa Nabiyyinaa Muhammad Wa 'alaa Aalihee wa Sahbihi wa sallaam